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Posted 03 May 2019 - 09:17 AM

Hoiberg ain't messing around.  

 

I dont know shit about basketball, but things appear to definitely be on the upswing.  

 

rumors are that basically nobody else is returning to the team other than those that have already been announced.  Heiman announced his intent to transfer yesterday, and I expect Thorir and Amir Harris to announce any day as well.  

 

also everyone should fully expect Roby to not return.  someone will draft him.  

 

but I'd argue that the players Hoiberg and staff have already brought in are better than any team that the previous coaching staff put out on the floor.  at least talent-wise.  of course they've never played together, never played for Hoiberg, etc.  

 

but, Hoiberg has this summer where they travel and play in europe to see what's he's got on the court, or at least what he can make of it.  

 

what he has to do now, though, is almost sign an entire roster's worth of players in just a few months.  

 

and he's off to a great start.  

 

he reaffirmed commitments from local product Arop who plays F, and JUCO transfer Green who's a SG

 

he lost on prep PG commit, but pulled in the best JUCO PG in Mack

 

he's added Sr grad transfers in guards Cheatham and Kavas (Kavas I think can also play the 3 and maybe stretch 4)

 

he's gotten guards Burke and Karrington to stay (I think)

 

he's also added transfer Banton, a guard, who has to sit a year

 

sense a trend here?  lots of guards.  and not the kind that pull for the football team.  

 

now that Heiman has announced his transfer, and I fully expect Roby to stay in the draft, that leaves only true frosh Arop as a true F or C on the roster.  and he's smaller than half of our guards.  not really, but close.  the good news is that's because Hoiberg is recruiting 6-6 and 6-8 guards (Cheatham, Kavas, Banton)

 

so, if Roby leaves early, and Harris and Thor announce their departures, that leaves Hoiberg with 5 more schollies to work with.  

 

there are some bigtime big men in the transfer portal right now, from what I've heard, if Hoiberg and staff can land one of those talented big men to combine with this pile of guards, they can do some damage next year.  you'd like to see them add some depth, though, at the F and C positions.  

 

I think Hoiberg has already put together a group of guards who can run the floor, space the floor, and shoot, plus drive the lane, etc, but he needs some big bodies to play defense in the B1G

 

it will be interesting to see how he finishes out these remaining scholarships.

 


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Posted 06 May 2019 - 11:15 AM

Heiman - "He asked me no to return."

 

No messing around, even with Heiman being one of two on the roster over 6'6".


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Posted 08 May 2019 - 04:02 PM

Amir Harris and Karrington Davis have entered the transfer portal.  

 

 

now the only players that are still around from pre-Hoiberg are Roby (who's almost a lock to be gone for the draft), Thor (who's said he's staying but I'm still not so sure), and transfer Dachon Burke (who sat out last year as a transfer).  

 

so, NU officially has 4 open schollies, which could go to 5 if Roby is gone (and 6 if Thor leaves)

 

hopefully Hoiberg and staff are in on a handful of bigs


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Posted 09 May 2019 - 09:45 AM

also, something I hadnt realized before, but the whole thing regarding schollies and a new coaching staff is in play with the Hoiberg hire just as it was with the SF hire... basically the school will honor all scholarships, but will turn them into academic/medical/whatever if the player doesnt fit into the new staffs schemes.  

 

that's why we're hearing players say that Hoiberg told them not to come back.  these kids arent being cut loose, they're being told that they can stay and go to school for free, but not play BB, or they can transfer somewhere else to play.  

 

it also sounds like as Hoiberg recruits over these guys on the roster, he tells them they're no longer going to have a shot at playing.  


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Posted 11 May 2019 - 03:44 PM

http://www.espn.com/...-teen-ouedraogo


https://www.cornnati...son-from-nevada

Thats a couple of nice athletic big men to add to the roster.

Hoiberg and staff can recruit.

Cant wait to see how they do this summer in Italy.
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Posted 14 May 2019 - 07:00 AM

and Nebrasketball adds another:

 

https://nebraska.riv...its-to-nebraska

 

another big to help round out the roster.  

 

big kid who will be needed to play right away.  

 

that leaves Hoiberg with one open schollie, two if (when) Roby leaves.  

 

also read that the kid signed out of France wont be with the team this summer when they play in Italy because he already committed to some international play or something like that.  that stinks as it's a great opportunity for the team to build some chemistry in the offseason, especially considering not a single player on the entire roster has played with any other player (assuming Roby leaves, as only Thor and Roby remain)

 

you also have to like the size/length/athleticism that Hoiberg and staff have brought in, only 2 guys shorter than 6-4 (Mack at 6-2 our likely starting PG and Green at 6-3 our likely starting SG)

 

with the latest addition they at least have 3 legit PF/stretch C options for next season (Cross, Yvan, Stevensen).  I think we're going to see a lot of 3 guards and not many big men on the floor at the same time.  Hoiberg wants to run and space and shoot, and he'll sacrifice defense to do so, and that's one of many reasons why I like the addition of Doc Sadler to the staff, as I think Doc can get the long athletic kids that Hoiberg wants for offense and get them to play respectible defense.  


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 08:27 AM

with one open schollie left while we wait on the Roby decision, I think Hoiberg and staff are done at the moment.  They'll probably save a schollie for a midterm transfer or to see if someone else pops up on the radar for a transfer (in the past I think Hoiberg has said he likes to have 2 sit-out transfers so that they have a teammate to help them deal with the year off of not playing)

 

they also still have a few targets that they would use the schollie on that havent decided I think.  

 

also, the schollie distribution (by year, not position) seems pretty damn good for a new coach whos basically flipping the entire roster.  

 

2 Srs (3 if you count Roby) - Cheatum and Kavas

4 Jrs - Stevensen, Thor, Green, Burke

2 So - Mack, Danton (Danton has to sit out a year as a transfer)

3 Fr - Arop, Yvan, Cross

 

he also still has 2 kids committed for the 2020 class.

 

I'd still like to see another big added to help defend in the B1G conference, and if Roby leaves as expected I anticipate the staff trying to add in someone else with size with that schollie while still saving one for a sit-out transfer or a late or midterm transfer 

 

but, I think that Hoiberg has a good idea of what style of BB he wants to play and it seems like he's gone out and gone after exactly the type of players he was looking for.  shit, the guy has hit on something like 75% of the kids he's brought in on official visits in the past few weeks.  hell he just got 3 commits in 4 days.


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 11:05 AM

Read an article last night that gave him an "A+" grade.  Eveything's subjective at this point, but he's earning his pay, for certain...


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 01:54 PM

haha I posted too soon.  Hoiberg picks up another commit today, this one a sit out transfer PF out of TN

 

Derrick Walker

 

https://nebraska.riv...transfer-walker

 

 

nice to see them add another big man to the roster.  

 

that fills all of the schollies, although I have to admit I still think that Hoiberg will try to recruit over Thor and ask him to transfer.  

 

once Roby is gone to the draft, that opens up one more schollie and I wouldnt be surprised to see them hold onto it, but with the way things are going, maybe Hoiberg wants to bring in as many new bodies as he can and then try to sort through what he's got.  there's always going to be offseason attrition anyway.  


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 04:08 PM

And again I spoke too soon

Hoiberg just landed prep guard Samari Curtis.

Guess that means Roby isnt coming back because theres no other available schollies
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Posted 16 May 2019 - 11:06 AM

And again I spoke too soon

Hoiberg just landed prep guard Samari Curtis.

Guess that means Roby isnt coming back because theres no other available schollies

 

Unless they process someone else out...


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Posted 16 May 2019 - 02:10 PM

that's what I was thinking as well.  I wouldnt be surprised for Hoiberg to recruit over Thor and tell him he needs to find a new home.  but then again, I think the signing period just ended so not sure if that limits options for the players or not.  maybe Hoiberg thinks he can use Thor somehow?  I think it has more to do with Thor being a Jr so he's only using a schollie for a couple of years unlike some of the other guys who were told there wasnt going to be a spot on the team for them who were younger.  

 

but, I think Roby is as good as gone and Hoiberg knows it (probably told him it would be in his best interest to leave now because of the pro potential/opportunity), and that would put them right at the schollie limit.  


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Posted 17 May 2019 - 11:46 AM

Lot of mud on the fence this year for it all to stick.


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Posted Today, 08:52 AM

agreed, but considering the circumstances, it's look like about the best start we could have hoped for.  It would have been nice to land a "top ten" transfer, but I think it's worth giving Hoiberg the benefit of the doubt in regards to what he is looking for in a player.  

 

the summer will be huge with that trip to italy to see how the team gels.  

 

I'd rather see what he can do piecing together a roster of his own players asap than seeing what he can do with Miles' holdovers.  

 

I like the mix of players that he's brought in, a couple of graduate transfers who have experience and can shoot, plus a couple of JUCO transfers who are considered the top in the country to cover PG and SG.  he added a couple of sit out transfers to balance the roster the way he likes (he's said he prefers to have 2 sit-outs at the same time so that they have a buddy to help them through not playing, plus he's stated before that it's tough to get more than 9-10 guys any decent minutes), and added in some guys who have some size and length to play defense against some of the bigs in the B1G.  

 

I'm sure a few wont work out, which is expected with such a short time to put a class together plus basically flipping the entire roster.  

 

here's what's left from Miles:

 

Thor (wing or maybe stretch 4)

Roby (gone to the draft)

Burke (didnt play last year as a sit-out transfer, should have a role on Fred's team as a scoring guard)

 

here's who's sort of a combo of Hoiberg/Miles:

 

Green (JUCO SG)

Arop (frosh F out of omaha)

 

here's who Hoiberg has brought into the program in such a short time:

 

Kavas (6-8 stretch 4 probably, grad transfer, can shoot)

Cheatham (6-6 stretch 3 maybe, good defender, grad transfer)

Walker (6-8 transfer has to sit out, PF)

Stevenson (6-6 PF eligible in Jan but will likely get a waiver to be eligible right away due to transferring twice because of 2 coaching changes)

Mack (6-2 PG JUCO transfer, arguably the top JUCO PG available)

Banton (6-8 guard, sit-out transfer, former top 150 recruit I think)

Yvan (6-9 prep PF from France, wont join the team until after the Italy trip, lots of upside)

Curtis (6-4 prep SG out of Ohio, averaged around 35 ppg as a high school senior and Ohio's Mr. Basketball)

Cross (6-8 prep PF out of Arkansas)

 

He's also managed to balance the roster quite well on such short notice with so many holes to fill:

 

Sr - Cheatham, Kavas (Roby if he stays)

Jr - Burke, Thor, Stevensen, Green, Walker (sit-out transfer)

So - Mack, Banton (sit-out transfer)

Fr - Ivan, Curtis, Cross, Arop

 

and he's currently keeping the two 2020 commits that Miles already had on board.  

 

I still have a slight concern about the ability of this roster to hold up inside against B1G conference opponents, but he did close out the class with some size, and he's been adding height/length at the guard positions as well.  I think it's obvious that he's recruiting for the offense he wants to run, so hopefully that will work out and it will be some exciting basketball to watch.  

 

I think we'll see a lot of "positionless" basketball with this group.  I think we'll see a lot of tall rangy guards who can play the 3 and sometimes the 4, with the inside guys more tall and athletic with the ability to run the floor instead of a traditional "back to the basket" interior play.  I think we'll see a lot of what we consider to be guards on the floor, but there is the potential for a lot of versatility with this group.  

 

it will be interesting to see how this first class (and first season) works out.  

 

with 11 players currently eligible for the next season, I think we'll see 1-2 of the frosh redshirt, although I admit I dont follow bb that closely to know if they often redshirt a kid to let him develop or not.  I could just as easily see Fred throwing the frosh into the fire to see if he needs to encourage anyone to move on after the first season.  Arop I think is a strong candidate to redshirt.  I just dont see him having the size/strength to hold his own at this level yet.  but, for all I know, maybe Hoiberg sees Arop as someone who can see a lot of pt, who knows?  I suppose Curtis is also a candidate, especially with a lot of older guards on the roster, but the kid could score in high school, so maybe he'll get a shot.  Cross is probably physical enough to see time right away, especially since there are not a lot of experience bigs on the roster right now.  

 

my best completely uneducated guess at this point would be that we'll see a lot of Mack and Green at PG/SG, with Burke coming off the bench to provide some scoring off the bench.  I think we'll see a lot of Kavas as a wing who can shoot but also has the height to play defense inside.  We'll probably see a rotation for "the one big who's on the floor with all the shooters" or maybe someone will lock it down in Italy?  My guess is that we'll see a lot of Stevenson in that role, with Yvan and Cross also in the mix depending on how quickly they adjust to the game at this level and pick up what Hoiberg wants them to do.  Cheatham can play a few positions, can provide some scoring but also great perimeter defense.  Walker and Banton have to sit for a year so arent eligible this coming season.  I'm still perplexed as to what Thor's role will be.  Does Fred see him as a shooter in his offense?  a defender?  I dont know.  I just dont see him taking a lot of pt away from the other guys in the roster.  I think we'll see Curtis play as a frosh, I think we'll see Arop redshirt.  


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Posted Today, 10:39 AM

Nice analysis!

 

Reminds me a bit like some of Don Nelson's teams with Golden Sate.


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