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#1 Hoosier_Husker

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 12:24 PM

yeah, this has been discussed ad nauseum all spring, all offseason, and now all fall camp, but why not...

 

What I recall reading is that QB coach verduzco has some actual metrics that he uses, including something like a 3 hour test that they take before fall ball and at the end of fall ball to test their knowledge of the offense, defensive alignments, where to go with the ball in those situations, etc; plus other stuff like charting drives in scrimmages, charting turnovers, production, etc in practice. 

 

anyway, the general fan/media consensus is that gebbia is the better thrower and a film/study junkie, while Martinez is the better runner and better overall athlete (and is already bigger and probably stronger)

 

SF has stated that the QB doesn't necessarily need to be a huge running threat or have 4.4 speed but instead someone who can pick up 4 yards or so when the situation/play calls for it, but more importantly, the QB has to make the correct decisions on the field, especially since they run a lot of RPOs (run/pass options) but also on the zone read, traditional/nontraditional option runs, and with multiple route combinations in the passing game. 

 

for me, I think that Gebbia's floor is higher (i.e. he'll make less mistakes) but that Martinez' ceiling is higher (he's capable of more)

 

I also think it would be tough to completely block out the thinking that while yes everyone wants to win right now, if they have a long leash and Martinez is the QB of the future, why not play him more now? 

 

for me, none of us have watched the practices to have any sort of a clue as to who performs better on a daily basis, who knows the offense better, who makes the proper decisions the most often, etc. 

 

but, I think that Martinez being better in the running game simply opens up more of the offense compared to Gebbia.  Gebbia can run all of the same plays, but would be a decoy more often than not, whereas I think Martinez is much more of a running threat that would cause problems for defenses and open up the other players to have more success.  I think that the offense and the playcalling is designed in such a way as NU doesn't have to have a super accurate passer, and I think that Martinez ability to possibly extend plays with his legs will be a big difference as well. 

 

also, seeing photos of the QBs in fall ball, Gebbia still seems damn skinny and seems to need to wind up his entire body to throw the ball while I think Martinez is already bigger and more put together and able to throw the ball more easily and take punishment better. 

 

either way, I think we'll see some mistakes since neither one has played a meaningful snap in over a year aside from a spring game or two.  what I think another difference might be, though, is that Martinez is confident in his ability to run, so when something isn't open, instead of throwing it away, he might be able to roll out and either pick up a few yards or hit a pass on a broken play that otherwise wouldn't have happened. 

 

 


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 02:11 PM

Either way, NU is poised to start a redshirt or true frosh at the QB position. Not an ideal situation, but it is what Frost has inherited.

 

Maybe both will play.  I think Gebbia has more upside, but your last sentence about Martinez being able to extend plays with his feet is a solid point.



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Posted 10 August 2018 - 04:24 PM

Speed kills in this offense.  It will be Martinez sooner or later.  Probably sooner.  


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Posted 14 August 2018 - 11:17 AM

I like Gebbia, but Martinez will probably be a better overall fit for the offense.


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Posted 15 August 2018 - 08:13 AM

While Martinez may be the better runner (and I think we all can appreciate that!), Frosty's offense relies on blink-think.  It would appear Gebbia has - for the moment - the edge.  Given that, I would expect Geb to start, with Mart getting serious game time reps, like TO used to do.  If Mart clicks, I would agree that it will go his way given his inferred capability to absorb the rigors of B1G play better due to physical composition.

 

Turnovers though, will kill any offense.  If Martinez tosses INT's - he may well not see much PT until he gets that corrected.


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Posted 26 August 2018 - 08:46 AM

AM makes history by being the 1st ever true freshman to start Game 1 @ QB for the Huskers.

 

He does look the part, and will give defenses pause to make sure he is contained. I hope he's T-Mart, with better knees.  Since we don't play Cheap-Shot dirty-play Misery there is hope.

 

 

Is it odd that Breon Dixon doesn't appear on the 2-deep?


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Posted 27 August 2018 - 11:29 AM

I think it's a good sign that AM won the starting job, because everything I've "heard" is that Gebbia didn't do anything to "lose the job" so that means that AM simply out-played TG in the fall, particularly in the scrimmages that were closest to live action. 

 

as for the remainder of the depth chart, I wouldn't say there are too many surprises. 

 

Breon Dixon not in the 2 deep at OLB is one of them, but when you think about it, it's not that big of a surprise.  there's been very little buzz about him in fall camp, and he's still a converted S playing OLB for the first time.  I think we'll see him on the field in situational conditions, such as vs spread teams and maybe on third down or when NU goes dime so that they get a better coverage LB on the field. 

 

I was surprised to see true frosh Tannor second string at OLB.  that's good news. 

 

nice to see two true frosh at CB, I guess.  means that last year's players maybe weren't that good, but hopefully it means the newcomers are simply that good. 

 

S depth seems nice.  the Tre Neal transfer and addition of D Williams seem like a bigger deal now. 

 

surprised to see true frosh Miles Jones in the mix in the RB rotation already since he didn't arrive until this summer and was dinged a bit to start fall camp, but apparently they really like his speed there. 

 

I was probably more surprised about Ozigbo, since I just never saw him as a RB that has the skill set that the staff look for in this offense (i.e. no breakaway speed) but maybe he's slimmed down and gotten faster and gotten in the proper shape to run in the offense at tempo.  he seems like he is at least serviceable catching the ball out of the backfield as well.  I still think we see more of Bell in each game, and perhaps this is something that will change as the true frosh Mo Washington and Miles Jones get more experience as the season goes on. 

 

another surprise was seeing Andre Hunt in the two deep at WR.  staff said good things about him this past week or two so he must have really come on and impressed to have passed someone like McQuitty

 

I'm worried about OL depth, particularly at the OT spot. 

 

DL depth looks very solid.  Stille must have really impressed in the spring/fall and in offseason workouts to have passed C Davis who I thought was our best DL last season and would thrive in a more attacking defense.  I'm hoping that we see a lot of rotation at NT, though, to keep Mick healthy and to see what Damion Daniels can do there

 

the KR and PR spots look interesting as well.  lots of speed there.  I hope we see some exciting returns this year. 

 

newcomers to the program that I see on the two deep:

 

QB Martinez

RB Bell, Washington, Jones

WR Hunt, M Williams, Woodyard

ILB Honas

OLB Tannor

CB Taylor, Clark

S Neal, D Williams

(K Pickering)

 

not counting specialists, that's 13 players in the two deep (3/4 deep in some spots, though) that weren't on the team last year.  and odds are every single one of them will be a major contributor the entire season.  Neal/D Williams may be starters at S, or co-starters, Bell is the starting RB, M Williams is a starting WR, Honas may see equal snaps at ILB, and of course Martinez is the starting QB. 


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Posted 27 August 2018 - 03:48 PM

Martinez, because Gebbia is going to quit.



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Posted 27 August 2018 - 03:57 PM

Martinez, because Gebbia is going to quit.

 

 

 

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 01:13 PM

Martinez, because Gebbia is going to quit.

 

Wow, I'd say you were a genius had you not posted this 8 hours after Frost said it






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