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[Boxcar]

fdbrian, on 17 February 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

Boxcar, on 17 February 2012 - 05:39 AM, said:

TJAK, on 16 February 2012 - 11:54 PM, said:

Boxcar, on 16 February 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

LouisvilleHusker, on 16 February 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

But, of course, bandwagon jumpers never went through the bad years, so how could they understand?

You mean that hideous seventeen year stretch between 1973-1989 when NU never finished outside of the top 15 and never lost more than three games? Maybe you're talking about that shameful four year stretch from 1973-1976 when NU never finished outside of the top ten? I know I still haven't forgiven TO for finishing second in the Big 8 in 1973. What the fuck was TO doing losing a Conference Title to the #2 team in the Country in his first year on the job? He should have been burned at the stake in 1974 for finishing second in the Conference to National Champion Oklahoma. And while he did win a share of the Conference Title in 1975 (his third year) he again lost to OU who yet again won the National Title.

Those were indeed tough times. Felt a lot like getting blown out by unranked and six loss Washington in the 2010 Holiday Bowl and getting shut out during the last three quarters against South Carolina in the 2012 Capital One Bowl. Thanks for the perspective.

Are you comparing mid 70's NCAA football to today?

I was shooting holes though the theory that NU had "bad years" under TO.

Lets take a closer look at those mid-70's schedules.

Seventeen. That is the number of top 20 teams NU played between 73-76. Bo has faced fifteen top 20 teams to date. TO wsa 10-7 versus top 20 teams in his first four years while Bo went 5-10 in his fifteen games. In TO's first four years we shared a Conference Title and finished second twice to OU who finished #2 in the Nation and won two National Titles. Not sure of the SOS data but the numbers certainly suggest that an argument could be made that TO faced a tougher schedule in his first four years than Bo. I also don't recall Texas 09 or OU 10 winning a National Title.

Lets stop comparing Bo to one of the greatest coaches in college football history. The numbers don't add up. If anything it makes Bo appear even more inept than the on the field results would suggest.

The difference is...is that when TO coached there was a lot of difference between top 10 teams and the ones from 25-10, nowadays, there is less difference than there used to be. I'm not sure TO could do what he did in the 70's and 80's in todays college football atmosphere.

Did you conduct your own Gallup Poll to come to this conclusion?

[HuskerFan]

Boxcar, on 17 February 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

fdbrian, on 17 February 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

The difference is...is that when TO coached there was a lot of difference between top 10 teams and the ones from 25-10, nowadays, there is less difference than there used to be. I'm not sure TO could do what he did in the 70's and 80's in todays college football atmosphere.

Did you conduct your own Gallup Poll to come to this conclusion?

It's pointless to argue to with dipshit fd.

fd: "The SEC is the greatest conference of all time and northern teams just can't compete."

HF: "Says here that in 2011 Boise St. kicked the shit outta the SEC East Champion, 35-21."

fd: "So?"

HF: "One can conclude Boise St. could've played for, and maybe won, the SEC title."

fd: Silence. Blinking. Drooling.

[LouisvilleHusker]

9 wins in today's CFB > 9 wins in the 70's and 80's.

Parity, 85 schollies, Title IX, TV exposure (Tues, Wed, Thurs, Fri games) and a whole slew of other factors make this true.

The longer that you argue that TO's success late in his career weren't the results of earlier failures, the stupider you look.

Which, in itself, is quite the achievement. Almost as good as 60-3 over 5 years.

[Boxcar]

LouisvilleHusker, on 17 February 2012 - 03:55 PM, said:

9 wins in today's CFB > 9 wins in the 70's and 80's.

Parity, 85 schollies, Title IX, TV exposure (Tues, Wed, Thurs, Fri games) and a whole slew of other factors make this true.

The longer that you argue that TO's success late in his career weren't the results of earlier failures, the stupider you look.

Which, in itself, is quite the achievement. Almost as good as 60-3 over 5 years.

TO vs Bo is your argument.

I refuse to compare a guy that hasn't won anything to a coach who some would argue as the greatest of all time. The minute Bo wins a Conference Title and finishes in the top ten feel free to start the comparisions.

I am interested in hearing about those "bad" years that you referenced earlier in the thread.

[LouisvilleHusker]

Hmmm, losing to Mizzou in 2 out of 3 years in the early 70's is "bad".

Losses to Wisconsin, Houston (twice!), Washington State, Iowa State, ASU, and more.

Doesn't lead me to think that it was all sunshine and bunnies.

My comparison, as much as you love to disparage it is not that Bo is TO, but that TO had his struggles early in his career,
in fact, he had assholes like you calling for his head as early as 1976. Clearly it would have been a momentous mistake to
fire TO at that point, even knowing it would be another 20 years before he actually got his MNC.

Does Bo get 25? No. Does he get a chance to learn, improve, change, etc.? Clearly he will, to your everlasting consternation.

Look up the words you don't understand, you mouth breathing moron.

[RINGKONG]

I think BDB failed.

[Boxcar]

LouisvilleHusker, on 17 February 2012 - 07:09 PM, said:

Hmmm, losing to Mizzou in 2 out of 3 years in the early 70's is "bad".

Losses to Wisconsin, Houston (twice!), Washington State, Iowa State, ASU, and more.

As expected you didn't give me TO's "bad years." He didn't have any. Maybe 1990 but by then he had already won a handful of Conference Titles and wasn't going anywhere. Hard to come up with bad year(s) when TO was finishing in the top ten almost every year.

TO was rightfully given more than four years. In his third year (1975) he won a share of the Big 8 Title. He never finished outside of the top ten and was the OC when NU won it's first two National Titles. He had some goodwil in the tank. Had his teams not been losing out on Conference Titles (73, 74) to teams that finished the season either #1 or #2 in the nation, and gotten beaten at home four straight years to a double digit dog, and failed to finish in the top 13 in each of his four seasons on the job, and been unable to field a team that lost less than four games then maybe he would have gotten fired. But, again, that wasn't TO's resume back in 1976. Additional time was given because he was fielding an elite product year after year that was falling short to National Champions. Not losing to fringe top 10 teams by four touchdowns.

[fdbrian]

HuskerFan, on 17 February 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

Boxcar, on 17 February 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

fdbrian, on 17 February 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

The difference is...is that when TO coached there was a lot of difference between top 10 teams and the ones from 25-10, nowadays, there is less difference than there used to be. I'm not sure TO could do what he did in the 70's and 80's in todays college football atmosphere.

Did you conduct your own Gallup Poll to come to this conclusion?

It's pointless to argue to with dipshit fd.

fd: "The SEC is the greatest conference of all time and northern teams just can't compete."

HF: "Says here that in 2011 Boise St. kicked the shit outta the SEC East Champion, 35-21."

fd: "So?"

HF: "One can conclude Boise St. could've played for, and maybe won, the SEC title."

fd: Silence. Blinking. Drooling.

A full year of Boise St. in the SEC = 4 or 5 losses for boise st.

Boise St. typically plays teams where the starters are out by the middle of the 3rd qt. thus making the end of the year easier for their players because they are in better physical shape because of the rest and less pounding they take. Put them in a conference were every game is 4 qts and they will wilt.

So fuck you HF you dip shit cum stain.

And Boise St. would not have beat Georgia at the end of the year.

Do you really think that ASU would have beat Nebraska at the end of the year during Frosts's first year at QB?

[BDB]

RINGKONG, on 17 February 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

I think BDB failed.

+1 or whatever the cool kids are doing these days

[johnnyhusker82]

oooh.

Randy Shannon and Al Golden. A pair to aspire to...